The Signal versus the Noise

The debate on PrePaid SIM card registration sparks a rolling debate on big government versus small government.  Second, it also speaks of our misconceptions about transnational crimes like terrorism and cybercrime.

Let us talk about big government versus small government.

The proponents of PrePaid SIM card registration point out that by having a list of who bought what, and when, it makes it easier for Police to identify criminals.  We should carry the burden that some of our privacy be violated.  Setting aside the notion of privacy, this argument gives us a false sense of security.

For one thing, terrorists don’t play by the rules.  They’ll either have the ability to steal a mobile phone and the SIM card, and they also have the ability to create fake ids.  Both are well within their sphere of capability and opportunity is easy to achieve in either case.

What of the argument that mobile phones can be reported stolen?  Sure, they can the whole argument of the Pro SIM card registration is that by giving the government a database of names and addresses they can track down the bad guy.  So a stolen phone and a stolen SIM, entirely defeats the purpose of any sim registration.

The whole purpose of a Prepaid SIM is to do away with all the necessary paperwork.  Walk into a store, and you get to buy a sim card for less than a dollar. Even if you do present an ID to the sales lady, that person has no way of verifying the legitimacy of the ID.  It isn’t like we have a national ID system where each ID could be verified.  It isn’t that the terrorist would be using a credit card to purchase the SIM card, now would it?

Sure it can be argued that there is at least some paper trail associated with the SIM card purchase, but does that little benefit be big enough benefit to justify the Energy we will expand to keep track of the database, to deliver the registry to the government, to train the sales lady to look into an ID?  Not to mention ensuring that the said database doesn’t fall into the hands of advertisers and marketers.

PrePaid SIM card registration is like asking the security guard in the mall to look under the car for bombs.  How many terrorists have we caught that way, btw?

This whole issue doesn’t focus on the real problem at hand: fighting terrorists and fighting cybercrimes.  The Philippines is in an area where we have terrorists lurking in training camps in Mindanao or hiding in plain sight.  Terror alerts from major countries seem to suggest they know something we don’t.  So why not create the ability to know for ourselves, and be part of the war to root out the real criminals rather than focusing on innocent civilians?

What the nation needs is to build its signals intelligence. What is this? Merely the ability to passively monitor all forms of electronic communication from Internet to cellphones.  The United States Government has the National Security Agency, which does their electronic monitoring.

“So wait!”

“yes, you in the backrow, what is your question.”

“It seems ridiculous.  You are against SIM Card registration and here you are, wanting to give the government eyes and ears into our private lives by letting them listen in on our communications?  What the hell is wrong with you man?”

The whole point that I was trying to make before being interrupted, US law also dictates that they cannot electronically spy on their citizens without a court order.  In this case, by having the Government go through the motions of a court order, everything is above board. there is a check and balance.  With a SIM card registration, there is no such check.  Everyone’s data is collected without so much as a justification as to why.

Electronic surveillance also gives our government the means to share intelligence with other governments and hopefully these capabilities can help us root out crime in the region.  Find out where their banks are.  Determine their location.  The whole point is to actually give government the proper, long term tools to fight transnational crime and terrorism.

This also doesn’t just extend to terrorists.  Security experts know that viruses and trojans and credit card hacks are transnational crimes.  We need the means to monitor and find out where these people are.  The ability of our government to do that, and to do that properly is invaluable to actually getting justice.

SIM card registration is just one of many half-assed measure that creates big government; adds a layer of bureaucracy and could be used to attack civil liberties.  It does very little in fighting transnational crimes, of which both terrorism and cybercrimes really are.  We need to give government the right tools for the right job.  I am against SIM Card registration simply because the cost in energy to do it, outweighs the potential benefits.  Given the limited resources of our government, shouldn’t we expel that energy in ways that would actually solve crime?  SIM Card registration will just be part of the noise, we need to listen to the signal.

Cocoy Dayao

Cocoy is the Chief Technology Officer of Lab Rats Technica, a Digital Consulting company that specialises in DevOps, iOS, and Web Apps, E-Commerce sites, Cybersecurity and Social Media consulting. He is a technology enthusiast, political junkie and social observer who enjoys a good cup of coffee, comic books, and tweets as @cocoy on twitter.

Cocoy is also the Managing Director and Editor-in-Chief of the ProPinoy Project.

Cocoy considers himself to be Liberal.

  • There was a time when you needed a credit card to shop online. Then a few pioneers engaged in some technical wizardry and brought out products that allowed you do use your debit card.

  • KG

    @Gabby

    Yeah nobody maybe except me.
    I thought the title of Cocoy’s previous blog was about preventing crimes but it was about solving.
    “Why SIM Card registration won’t solve crime”

    http://propinoy.net/2011/01/27/why-sim-card-registration-won%E2%80%99t-solve-crime/

    Going back to what I said.
    Crime solutions are after the fact, like: aanhin pa ang damo kung patay na ang kabayo. That is why i thought of prevention.
    Even CCTVS as mentioned are for crime solution rather than prevention.

    • GabbyD

      but if u read it, it goes back to privacy rights too…

      so i am confused about this. i think its possible to clear up lots of confusion about the nature of this proposal.

      we just need 2 continue talking about it earnestly.

  • GabbyD

    so cocoy, how do you feel about sim registration now? there really isnt anything different from this and post-paid registration in terms of privacy or freedom of expression.

    • Cocoy

      My position hasn’t change. it isn’t going to solve the problem. You guys don’t understand the nature of transnational crimes.

      • KG

        Speaking of solving.
        The authorities can claim high solution rate and low reporting of crime rates but can the authorities present us with their ways of preventing crimes?
        I agree Sim card registration is not one of the means to prevent crimes.

      • GabbyD

        wow, now its about transnational crimes?

        1) privacy
        2) freedom of speech

        i assume that since u didnt touch 1 and 2, i guess u have no problem with that anymore.

        but what is this nature of transnational crimes u speak of?

        @karl

        i dont think anyone is thinking that its gonna prevent alot of crime. maybe the marginal shakedown ahere and there. but not the important ones.

  • KG

    “SIM card registration won’t stop crimes because IDs can easily be faked.

    What about the ease of acquiring an nbi,police or baranggay clearance?”

    I meant authentic or authenticated clearances

    • Cocoy

      don’t tell me you want an NBI clearance just to make a phone call?

      • KG

        The thing is you want valid ids
        that would be sss tin company id driver’s license and especially nbi or police clearance.

        Establishments want to know if one has a record even those who sell phones.
        And people do present nbi clearance as their valid ID,Cocoy.

        But I agree in ease of faking IDS.At SM Megamall a printing shop has in its posters displays of company and even media iDS.(finished products)
        You no longer have to go to Quiapo or recto just any print shop can offer ID printing services.

  • KG

    SIM card registration won’t stop crimes because IDs can easily be faked.

    What about the ease of acquiring an nbi,police or baranggay clearance.

    It is not because crime has decreased right?
    I guess it has to do with less crimes being reported and it also has to do with those who feel that they can not be touched or in short they feel that they are above the law.

  • Modern technologies have made global insurgencies and transnational crimes possible.

    Arguing between two absolute poles is nonsensical.

    Why require passports between states?

    Migrant labor sometimes use fake passports to move between countries. One can access fake social security cards in the U.S. Giving states the ability to battle crime across national boundaries requires information sharing.

    Ninoy Aquino was killed by agents of an authoritarian state. His wife saw fit not to investigate and prosecute those agents including Fidel Ramos, Juan Ponce Enrile and others. What does this have to do with registering sim cards?

    During the Marcos years the intelligence community was rather efficient in jailing the opposition. The process is available for governments that wish good will or ill.

    So it all boils down to the quality of governance.

  • Modern technologies have made global insurgencies and transnational crimes possible.

    Arguing between two absolute poles is nonsensical.

    Why require passports between states?

    Migrant labor sometimes use fake passports to move between countries. One can access fake social security cards in the U.S. Giving states the ability to battle crime across national boundaries requires information sharing.

    Ninoy Aquion was killed by agents of an authoritarian state. His wife saw fit not to investigate and prosecute those agents including Fidel Ramos, Juan Ponce Enrile and others. What does this have to do with registering sim cards.

    During the Marcos years the intelligence community was rather efficient in jailing the opposition. The process is available for governments that wish good will or ill.

    So it all boils down to the quality of governance.

  • Bert

    “Those who wish to stay off the grid and resort to fake documents can do so only for a limited time frame.”-J_AG8

    Limited time frame, yes. But enough time to have the job done…mission accomplished.

    • UP nn grad

      In Pilipinas, murderers who stay off the grid for 20-years-and-a-day are FREE, FREE, FREE!!!!

      Who killed Ninoy??? Scot-free!!

  • J_ag8

    Registering buyers of sim card is a good and wise policy for still modernizing societies.

    This argument between big and small argument is a delusional argument. In modern industrial societies their government eat up from 30 – 50 % of a countries annual production of goods and services. in developing and more so in low income societies it is less than 20%.

    In the U.S. almost everyone is part of the information grid though their social security number. Governments and business, more so in todays digital world have information profiles on almost all their citizens. Social security numbers, then drivers licenses and then through individuals credit history. (Credit cards) Information is a necessary tool.

    Minimizing crimes and trying to minimize the incidence of terrorist acts is the goal.

    Those who wish to stay off the grid and resort to fake documents can do so only for a limited time frame. Sooner or later they get caught. But that is the minor exception to the rule.

    But all tools can be turned into weapons. The question is how to minimize the risks. Isn’t that part of another bigger problem. They call it governance.

    • Cocoy

      “Registering buyers of sim card is a good and wise policy for still modernizing societies.”

      No it isn’t, J_ag8. It strikes from fear.

      Everything is a weapon, if you think about it. Cars can be rammed into office buildings. Aircraft slammed into skycrapers. Everything. Should we all then stop using cars? stop flying airplanes? The mobile phone is no different. You speak of fear. cowering that these tools can be used as weapons. It is like asking the security guard to inspect bombs in malls. All this does is make it harder for POOR people not to get communication.

      You’re seen what has happened in Egypt lately. That sir, is what happens when the balance of power between government and people are skewed so much on the government side. The people will riot in the streets. Giving people that mobility is a check on a government’s excesses, because it is an expression of freedom of speech and expression. Having a list, in the hands of government that breaks being anonymous when we absolutely need it to be is wrong.

      Signal’s intelligence is a more powerful weapon. In fact, it is a dangerous weapon for the government, but I believe it is better to hand that to a nation-state than to go have everyone register prepaid sim cards. I don’t think you understood what i was trying to argue in here. All you the pro sim registration guys see is shortsightedness. you’re not looking at it from a bigger picture. Terrorism is a transnational crime. This is a cybercrime is a transnational crime. We need transnational tools to be part of fighting that crime, and fighting that war. Not some knee jerk reaction that comes from being afraid.

  • UP nn grad

    And corporate-metro-Manila may have to pony up to carry more of the “social responsibility” share with regards Pilipinas health-programs against dengue, malaria, tuberculosis.

    REASON: Bill Gates has latched onto polio-eradication as his health-project. The fear starting to creep into other health programs (e.g. anti-malaria, others) is that Gates-money gets allocated away from “X” and shifted to polio-programs. [This is the reason for health professionals looking to local corporations to be there. For the greater good. Malaria, dengue, tuberculosis — mosquitoes and flies, standing-water after frequent floods — scourge of Pilipinas rural and even Makati- and Times-street neighborhoods.]

  • UP nn grad

    And I post it again — beware Pilipinas food prices when July2011 steps in. NFA (or whatever new agency Noynoy decides to create) has to be thinking and acting on the problem.
    —————-
    Earlier this week, Algeria bought 800,000 tonnes of wheat – much more than usual – and Saudi Arabia announced plans to double the size of its wheat stockpile.

    Bangladesh and Indonesia joined the rush on Thursday, placing extraordinary on rice orders. Traders said that Jakarta, which usually buys rice in 200,000-tonne allotments, tendered for more than 800,000 tonnes. Bangladesh said it would double rice purchases this year.

    “If you look to the average prices from 2000 to 2006 I think we would stay above the levels we observed then,” Gregory Page, chief executive of Cargill, the world’s largest trader of agricultural commodities.

    • Cocoy

      Food. Water. Power. Internet. These are all battle grounds. It’s the challenge of the 21st century, and no country in the world is immune to it simply because we’re running out of water; running out places to plant food; oil is scarce and Internet isn’t free.

  • UP nn grad

    Look to the discussions in Russia after the airport bombing. One idea there that has not even been mentioned by profound thinkers in Pilipinas — the bombing is a reminder to the central government to put extra effort to accelerate the economic development of that particular area where the bomb was sent from.

    Mindanao cries for development. Put Usec Puno 🙄 as Mindanao economic-development czar, and maybe, just maybe, Mindanao becomes key to serving that greater need which Noynoy keeps ignoring — food self-sufficiency for Pinoys-in-Pilipinas.

    • Cocoy

      Yep, I have to agree, it’s the economy.

      Just look at what is happening in North Africa, people are rebelling precisely because of economic reasons.

      The solution for Mindanao would have to be all the takeholders there come together and decide on their future. It can’t be Manila-centric who decides. It has to be the people of mindanao.

      • UP nn grad

        But cocoy: communities of Mindanao have already decided, and their decision includes a demand on Manila.

        On one side, the AbuSayyaf and other groups in Mindanao detonate bombs to tell Manila — get the hell out!!!

        Then there are other communities who say ” … we need jobs! The taxes we pay, use them less for MRT/LRT and instead build Mindanao schools, clinics”. Other communities say “..we won’t blame you that we have been neglected by Cory and other presidents; we just want help against private armies”.

        I already said, right, that a suspicion — Buendia-bombing is elements in Mindanao sending the message “Manila, get the hell out!” with cellphone-triggered 81mm mortars?

  • Cocoy, you have a very unnerving habit of looking at problems from a greater perspective than most, a removed, intelligent perspective. You are therefore out of sync with the folks who like ideas because they sound profound even though they are a pig’s ear pretending to be a purse. You are right, this is nonsense, but it is typical. Rather like taxing books or Senator Revilla’s proposed “Crime against Honor” legislation.

    But it sells among those who like to whack at trees and ignore the forest.

    • Cocoy

      Yep. I know, Joe. Thank you for the compliment. 😀

      And we got to start somewhere. I hope this blog, your blog and others like it on the web can be a place where we start to make sense.

    • UP nn grad

      Joe-Am: How is this — fire Usec Puno — for whacking at a tree? 🙄

      Wouldn’t it be loverly if Usec Puno discovers that his other business and romantic interests become reason where he submits his resignation tomorrow.

  • Cocoy

    also poor people like maids dont have IDs or rarely do.

    • GabbyD

      again, this is a reason to encourage them to have IDs.

      in fact, some people are hoping that PhilHealth cards can serve this purpose so that finally informal workers can be covered and enter formal society.

      • Cocoy

        GabbyD,

        These people are not like you and me. They’re poor. Sometimes a mobile phone, and a text is a simple pleasure. Sometimes they just need to reach someone. A son. a daughter. a relative. Can we not make life harder for these people?

        There are other ways, less intrusive ways to hunt down criminals.

        I’m all for a national ID system. Whether it is a philhealth card, a TIN number, or a birth certificate ID number or whatever.

        What registering Prepaid cards amounts to a whole lot of huffing and puffing, and not solving real problems.

        • GabbyD

          “These people are not like you and me. They’re poor. Sometimes a mobile phone, and a text is a simple pleasure. ”

          seriously? they are people and we are persons.

          we should encourage people to accept the notion that living in a civilized society requires ID.

          that fact that they are poor isnt an issue. an ID says that you are part of society, and EVERYONE should be proud of that.

          everyone, including the poor, gets school IDs, so its NOT like IDs are some alien notion.

          that said, IDs arent expensive. in fact, they should be (and in fact, they are) free.

          i’m glad ur in favor of a national ID system.

          • Cocoy

            No an ID isn’t an alien notion. But requiring some id to exercise your freedom is speech is to me excessive.

            a national ID system has reasonable benefits.

          • GabbyD

            now its freedom of speech?

            i feel when we talk about this, you move the goal posts.

            ano ba tlga kuya?

            define freedom of speech. last time i checked, freedom of speech doesnt mean that anyone can own any medium of communication without any kind of regulation.

          • Cocoy

            It’s the consequence of all this. you don’t see it, but go for this idea, and one day, down the road, it would be another way for some government with autocratic ideas to use as a weapon. Freedom of speech is freedom to speak freely without censorship or limitation, or both. Communication is Freedom of speech.

          • GabbyD

            look who is trading on fear now? as i said in the above thread, this is exactly like the data requirements to get a prepaid card.

            to get the info, govt should have a reason.

            so whats the beef?

          • UP nn grad

            Registration of SIM-card is not a brand-new idea like “No-wang-wang”.

            Why not balance the fear-mongering with statistics or real-life experiences, not fear-mongering of WHAT-CAN-HAPPEN-IS. Question — has there been EU countries where folks began to shout against SIM-card registration? Has there been Middle-Eastern countries that complained against registration?

  • GabbyD

    ” We should carry the burden that some of our privacy be violated. ”

    again, what privacy is violated? if u buy a postpaid, they need to know ur name and address 2 bill u. when u join a service that require regular contact they get your address. when u pay online, they even get (gasp!) your credit card number.

    this is just private firms!

    govt transactions frequently require identification too! if u drive, they have your number. if u own a car, they do too!

    • Cocoy

      See that’s Big Government you’re talking about. If you read the entire piece, it is actually less about protecting one’s privacy than it being a really stupid idea. It won’t stop crime.

      The argument registering PrePaid sim is so it’ll prevent unauthorized use. But the burden of requirement is little. You can easily fake it just as you can use a fake id to buy booze.

      They won’t check whether the ID is legal or not. They’ll just photo copy it and boom, with it. They’ve done their part. So it is quite easy to fake it. And at that point, why go through all the trouble of registering PrePaid sim cards when it won’t help stop the bad guys? When it won’t tell the government before an incident happens that something is amiss.

      So ergo, we’re expanding energy, doing something that the benefit doesn’t outweigh the cost.

      Get it?

      • GabbyD

        “The argument registering PrePaid sim is so it’ll prevent unauthorized use.”

        you are the ONLY ONE making this argument.

        ___
        as for your other comment, the same can be said for ALL requirements. if u apply for ANYTHING, u can always give fake ID.

        is ur next argument not require any IDs at all?

        OR is your next argument improving the ability of law enforcement to detect fake IDs?

        • Cocoy

          Um. GabbyD, the call for registering PrePaid Sims is so bombers can’t use phones. is that not unauthorized use?

          i probably should have written, “the argument /for/ registering/ Prepaid sim.” if that makes it clearer.

          • GabbyD

            cant use phones? nope. again, no one is arguing that.

            OK — here’s the argument:

            it will allow law enforcement to tie a cellphone to an owner as a way to cull either EVIDENCE, or LEADS to possible suspects.

            NO ONE is saying it will stop bombing.

            NO ONE (except possibly the idiots) is saying that the registered owner will immediately be a suspect.

            the people who MIGHT oppose this measure actually MIGHT be vendors.

            presumably, selling sims and registering those who buy will require some capital injection. lots of people who are selling sims are people by the side of the road who are capital poor.

          • Cocoy

            I understand that there has to be a chain of evidence from bomber to cellphone. It is a fair argument.

            But see, there’s the shortcut right there. You want the shortcut but don’t see the chain reaction in creating this law. You’re putting so much on a third party to be delivering you a database… a list of owners. you are stopping short of deputizing stores, mall owners, and telcos for a shortcut.

            Even telco record is privately owned that should be subpoenaed. you brought the argument that hey, postpaid subscribers have been doing this for years. Yes, because it is a requirement by the telcos. Essentially they are giving subscribers a CREDIT LINE. of course they will ask for proof that you can pay them back. Postpaid is about subsidizing the phone. So instead of paying 1,000 dollars for an iPhone you get to pay it in installments for the period of your contract. It isn’t a requirement of law for telcos to send that data to the government. They do it for their own reason. Business, big or small is not an extension of the government. Doing the police’s investigation work isn’t the job of the sales lady in the mall.

            In a prepaid service, notice that phones are priced much higher. The subsidies are gone. Telcos don’t need to run credit checks. There are no requirements. you can use the phone or dump the phone or get another sim from another party.

            Like I said: that sales lady isn’t going to take ssooo much time in scrutinizing someone’s ID. It isn’t going to happen. Human nature goes into effect. That store isn’t an extension of the government. The odds that the sales lady is going to look the other way is waaay higher.

            You called up driving, and they all require IDs. That’s fine. You need a driver’s license to prove you got what it takes to drive. You got to have your eyes checked for your safety and that of the people on the road and the people who ride with you. It is fair. It is reasonable. Just as you need to go to a Government office to practice Medicine. Because safety and expertise demands it.

            Using a mobile phone isn’t one of those things. It is something you use to communicate. To express yourself. The right to communicate and the right to free speech and the right to your own damn business with your money, shouldn’t be infringed or have undue expectations placed upon it.

            The demands of a chain of evidence does not, and is not big enough reason to create a database that could potentially be used years from now by a government hell bent on preventing freedom of speech or expression or any of the things we hold sacred in a democracy. In every country that has done this, it has always been used and abused by the government. Not only that, there is that potential to sell the data to advertisers and marketers.

            I understand your line of thinking GabbyD. I understand that there is that fundamental need to tie the evidence to the owner. As I’ve said the phone could be stolen. They could have used a fake id. So there go your ability to tie the evidence based on who bought the phone or the sim card. So ergo, it will not stop bombing. It will not stop crime. It will just be an added layer to a complicated bureaucracy, and it might in fact be used for evil one day. What’s the point of having this law if there are other ways to skin a cat? What’s the point of having this law when all it does it complicates things rather than help solve the problem of a transnational crime or a cybercrime?

            Government shouldn’t be deputizing corporations to do their homework for them. And in my humble opinion that need of the government to tie evidence is still too little compared to complication it brings to the equation. Investigators and lawyers will have to find another way to prove beyond reasonable doubt that someone committed an act of terrorism.

            I would even argue that the quickest way to really find out if a SIM card found itself isn’t to have humans register for it. The telco would have an identification number of where that SIM card was delivered or sold to. A court order can petition the telco to find out when the sim card came online, when it was first activated or when that phone came online. Finger prints could be on that phone and so many others. CCTV cameras in malls and elsewhere can ID people coming to and from a store. A record of a receipt tying the person who bought the sim card could be used— again, this assumes it was bought, and not stolen. If i was a terrorist, why would I buy when I could steal? Or give my real name. Hell, why buy it myself. I’ll just pay someone to buy it and get it from him outside the store.

            What i’m trying tell you is to take the long way. BUILD capacity. Signals intelligence is a passive way to do it. In fact, it doesn’t RELY on getting third parties— like that sales lady by the mall or the telco to do the government’s job. it is something governments should have because they need to protect their citizens. It is something that would require a court order to achieve— when monitoring specific people, and chatter. It allows our government to be an active part of the international community, you know like hunting real terrorists and criminals. It gives our government a coin to be part of the loop with our friends abroad.

          • UP nn grad

            I think cocoy, when he says “government should build signals intelligence”, cocoy wants Malacanang to start monitoring and/or capturing cellphone calls.

            I may be wrong — my way of saying cocoy has not really offered a solution, just a roadblock to sim-card proposal.

          • Cocoy

            You’re right. i want to give the Palace the ability to monitor phones, and internet— all within the framework of the law like asking for a court order to do it. LIke have legitimate reasons for doing so. There is already an anti-wiretapping law. That’s how you catch criminals and terrorists. you find out where they are, trace the route of money, etc. Give the government real teeth. I mean, really beef up national security. Give our government real ability to go into cyberspace and defend its properties online, and trace worms, trojans. Both terrorism and cybercrimes are transnational. Meaning you don’t solve it by fighting domestic battles, you solve it in concern with nation-states.

            UP nn grad, I find the sim card proposal really archaic, and really stops short at real solutions.

            I also really hate the idea of relying on private corporations to do the government’s dirty work. Let’s separate business and government.

          • UP nn grad

            Remove the VAT-collection at retail-level; remove witholding taxes by corporations…

            “I also really hate the idea of relying on private corporations to do the government’s dirty work. Let’s separate business and government.–cocoy”

            Cocoy: business depends on government to provide some services of value to businesses. Huwag namang kabig na kabig ang Pilipinas business thinking. Not fair.

          • UP nn grad

            Here is an idea for businesses. TXTpower and Cocoy may like this since Makati-business-club businesses are not affected. Public-places that can hold 100 or more people at a time (jeepneys, no… corner sari-sari store, no) should be required to install security cameras. Purpose — take a picture of the people inside the premise every 5 minutes or more often. The pictures should be held for at least 7 calendar days. The pictures belong to the camera-owner (so they can sell the pictures to reporters from Malaya or Manila Times). The pictures have to be surrendered to the police if the request is accompanied by a legitimate court-order.

            Gasoline taxes to be raised for one month so that Malacanang has the funds to provide a P400-peso tax credit per security-camera installed.

          • GabbyD

            “Even telco record is privately owned that should be subpoenaed”

            huh? kaya baka tayo hindi magkaintindihan.

            i have NEVER read that the information will automatically go to the authorities. i challenge you to find that by anyone who is seriously proposing this.

            registration of prepaid works exactly the same way as in post paid.

            WHEN there is a crime, that is the time when law enforcement calls upon the telcos to tell law enforcement about the registered owner.

            IF you are ok with a subpeona, SO ARE THE PROPONENTS OF THIS ISSUE.